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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 13:24, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Pearson (fighter)[edit]

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While he does pass WP:MMABIO, it has become apparent to me that MMABIO essentially means nothing if the subject cannot meet WP:GNG. His coverage is mainly through routine sporting report. Pearson has not fought in over 4 years and is in his 40s, the chances of him meeting GNG are highly unlikely. ♡RAFAEL♡(talk) 20:40, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:09, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Keep; Though he hasn't fought in four years, and the coverage does seem routine, that doesn't preclude WP:GNG, and don't forget that notability isn't temporary. I do understand the premise for the AfD, but I think this should stay. Spf121188 (talk) 17:23, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Striking vote The below users make a more convincing argument, and know more about this topic than I do, so I will strike my vote. Spf121188 (talk) 14:55, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If all the coverage is routine, how does he pass WP:GNG? Unless you can show some significant independent coverage, all you have is WP:ILIKEIT. Papaursa (talk) 20:47, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Papaursa, the references [1], [2], [3] from Sherdog and Bleacher Report (among others) are independent and aren't necessarily routine. I know very little about MMA and this particular fighter, so WP:ILIKEIT doesn't apply to me. My main reason for this being a Weak Keep is because though notability for this fighter may be dated, notability is not temporary. Spf121188 (talk) 21:04, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The first reference seems to be promoting his "fight coming up next Friday" and that "if you are anywhere in driving distance ... go out and support Pearson". It also says if you want more information about Pearson you should contact the article's author. Hard to see that as independent and neutral. The second reference is a one sentence mention of a fight result where he was knocked out 20 seconds into the fight. The third source mentions him in a list of "50 Random MMA Facts You Never Knew" for winning 22 fights by triangle choke. I'd call that independent, but not significant. The question isn't about whether notability is temporary, it's whether he was ever WP notable. Papaursa (talk) 01:33, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pearson never was WP:NOTABLE. Wikiprojects create their own notability guidelines to allow pages to created in hopes of them meeting WP:GNG, Pearson only ever passed WP:MMABIO but now that he's essentially retired it's important to go through his coverage to see if he meets GNG, to which he does not. ♡RAFAEL♡(talk) 10:30, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete At this time, I don't see coverage that shows he meets WP:GNG. I'm afraid this overshadows his 78 fight career when it comes to WP notability. I don't think the fact that none of his professional fights, after the first one, went the distance is sufficient to meet any WP notability criteria. Papaursa (talk) 01:33, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails notability guidelines. Cassiopeia talk 08:06, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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